On this episode, I’m thrilled to be joined by one of my best friends in the world, Jared Odle. He’s a missionary, copywriter, and an all-around fantastic guy. This will be the first of probably lots of conversations we feature here on the podcast on different topics related to writing.

Today we discuss the topic: What does it mean to be an A+ writer? How do we determine what excellence is? What’s our standard? This is a fascinating conversation, and I hope this inspires you to keep doing the work and not get hung up on trying to be perfect.